Velocirsptors are just gloryfied chickens…

  • Velocirsptors are just gloryfied chickens…

  • Martin Duldinger

    Member
    March 1, 2021 at 21:48

    If you look at it, for Jurrasic Park, they needed a bad ass dino and Michael Critchton used the velociraptor (2m length) and said something about Utha Raptor (7m) and in the end created a 3m long raptor.

    Not sure why, because the 3,5m long and even cooler Dinonychus was already discovered and ready for action…

  • James Pascoe

    Organizer
    March 1, 2021 at 23:01

    Micheal Crichton was heavily influenced by the work of Gregory Paul, a noted Palaeoartist and sometime scientist whose dynamic reconstructions along with Robert Bakker formed a key part of the “Dinosaur Renaissance”. Now Paul was very much a “lumper”, he believed in grouping various Dinosaurs together, including for no real reason, the early Cretaceous and North American Deinonychus with the late Cretaceous and Asian Velociraptor. Since we found Velociraptor first in 1924, Paul considered it the senior synonym. Hence in the book we find Velociraptor antirrhopus.

    Now today Paul’s ideas are dismissed, but they were a key reference to the book and Gregory Paul’s artwork clearly defined the incorrect appearances of the animals in the film. It’s also been said Crichton preferred the name of the less well known Velociraptor, lending itself to people incorrectly calling members of the Dromaeosauridae “Raptors” for several decades now.

    As for the size of the animals, the turkey sized Velociraptor is hardly a fearsome protagonist, so they upscaled it. The animals in the books and films are larger than Deinonychus, as well as incorrect in almost every anatomical detail. But they made a classic movie monster, not a real animal. They didn’t run fast like cheetahs, they didn’t hunt in packs, they didn’t hold there arms like a rabbit, unless you shattered the wrists….

    I’ll end with Utahraptor, while both Velociraptor and Deinonychus are lightly built, this was a tank. Perhaps 7 metres long, and a bear of a animal. Heavily built, thick set, and a contemporary of its smaller cousin Deinonychus. Now it’s discovery predates both the book and the film, as much like Deinonychus material was found decades prior to its official description. But it was named in 1993, with Crichton’s seminal book already long published and reprinted by then. Ironically it is Utahraptor though that suggests the possibility of group behaviour more than any of its smaller brethren, but that works still ongoing….

  • James Pascoe

    Organizer
    March 1, 2021 at 23:02

    A wonderful scale comparison between the three and some others

  • Duncan Hill

    Member
    March 2, 2021 at 10:15

    They’re still pretty fearsome though, I mean every now and then even chickens kill people. Granted it’s usually because some idiot straps blades to their feet, but they do kill!

    • Thomas Borreson

      Organizer
      March 3, 2021 at 02:12

      And they were more like goose to turkey sized.

      I don’t know about you, but the prospect of carnivorous Canada geese with built in knives would incline me to treat them with respect, especially if they used pack-hunting behaviour.

  • James Pascoe

    Organizer
    March 2, 2021 at 14:42

    They were certainly capable of being threatening, but as noted Palaeontologist Dr Dave Hone points out, if you found yourself being attacked by a Velociraptor you should just fall on it, as they were pretty small ? but if you were a small to medium sized prey animal they were very threatening and while feathered not exactly cuddly….

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